You know, I haven't been very faithful about entering stuff here. But I did want to write down that when guying the 20M make sure the ground is not soft. During the K5D escapades, I tried to use my 20M beam on soft soil (warmed by the sun after being wet all winter), and the ground gave way and my 20M fell over breaking 3 of the dowels. Of course having made this myself it was a pretty easy fix. But I also added another change which was to put wire connectors at each location the dowels attach to the boom/element supports. This makes it a lot easier to disconnect the elements for transportation and since the wire lengths are still the same (I made sure to cut everything just right so they would remain the same length), they have the same SWR. I might add photo's later, but this is probably enough.